He’s totally right. Everyone fled communism rather than fight. If americans fled america in 1976 and the founder escaped with their money to south america they would probably have lost it all. Does fleeing ever work? They took the right to own a gun in Germany but what if they were all armed and trained? Same with Russia and China and Cambodia. How do you know death squads dont start in Uruguay if after Brazil collapses and you have millions fleeing to Uruguay? I know you will hop over to another house in another country. I have kids as most do and i will die for their freedom and safety if necessary and their is no better option. If nukes go off you want to be in blast zone anyway since no one will be able to have healthy food or water or air and even if on an island with hydroponics and a well its pretty lonely. The point is to stand for something and build communities and have a plan but fight like hell so that plan is not needed
Blaming the atrocities committed in Russia, China, or Cambodia on the few who got out while they could is bizarre. Why not blame it on Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot? Or, perhaps the scores of millions who stayed in the country and watched or participated as it happened?
My ancestors "fled" England on Sept. 6, 1620 aboard the Mayflower. I'd say that worked.
You must stand for something. I agree 100%. But, all somethings aren't equal.
If you're idea of standing for something involves fighting with fellow Americans or a state that considers you an adversary under the illusion that you're standing up for the principles that really did make America special, is a mistake... in my opinion. That America is long gone and it's not coming back... at least not for a generation or two.
I'm a father too. I have kids and will do anything to protect them AND, like my Mayflower ancestors, do whatever must be done so they have a shot at a bright future.
Some of us started rowing a few years back — not to escape, but to live better. What we found wasn’t just a soft landing spot for Americans, but a real society still grounded in food, family, and trust. The kind of place where you can walk, think, invest, and raise your kids without apologizing for it.
La Barra may not be my full-time home yet — but I’m comfortable knowing I’ll have it in the future.
As an Australian that just moved permanently to Paraguay, I get the same dumb 'stay and fight' attitude from Aussies too..
I love Australia, I would die on a hill to say growing up there in the 90s would have been one of the best possible childhoods on Earth, and it pains to think that my future kids probably won't experience backyard cricket on the street until 9pm etc..
But you can only change your own life, and vote with your feet...
VOTE HARDER! It makes zero difference...
I am happy to pay basically 0 taxes legally and slowly watch the decline from The Southern Cone...
Thanks for sharing, Tom. I also happen to have Paraguayan permanent residency. My kids did a little better—they have passports, since they were all born there:). It’s not for everyone, though—the summer heat is brutal, and it’s a bit less civilized, for lack of a better word, than Uruguay. But I like both countries for different reasons.
Thanks, Tom! That actually sounds like a solid plan. And I def agree—PY is a great base to start from. My wife and I have explored half of Latin America from there.
I agree with you but it's a matter of how much effort you want to put into a backup plan. Nomad Capitalist founder Andrew Henderson posted a recent video of him being DENIED a visa to visit the US. I haven't watched it yet, and maybe he eventually got it but that would be a concern for most of us. Maybe some people wouldn't care about that but most of us have families and aren't ready to go "all in" on somewhere else, right?
>>... and aren't ready to go "all in" on somewhere else, right?
Thanks for sharing your perspective, BigOinSeattle. But that’s not what we’re suggesting. The point is, you don’t want to go 'all in' anywhere. You want to diversify. As Doug likes to say, don't keep your eggs in one basket. Just look at the graph I posted earlier in the essay—it's safe to say that 99.9% of those people (interested in "dual citizenship") aren't looking to give up their American one. Those who are, are using very different keywords.
He renounced his US citizenship. He did it to avoid taxes. If you go that route you lose the supposed guaranteed right to enter the US. He knew it could happen and made the choice. Renouncing your US citizenship isn't building a plan b. It's the most extreme step you can take to eliminate all ties to the US. It may be the right choice for some, but that's not what we're advocating here.
We're talking about gaining the legal right to enter and live in another country - a safehaven - if you need it.... or maybe just a pleasant place to spend a couple of months a year.
True, important distinction. I’ll bet Andrew THOUGHT he had a plan B - and C, D and E! And thought that with his St Lucia passport would always be able to enter the US unmolested. He’s still got family here - his dad even appeared in a couple of his videos,
He’s totally right. Everyone fled communism rather than fight. If americans fled america in 1976 and the founder escaped with their money to south america they would probably have lost it all. Does fleeing ever work? They took the right to own a gun in Germany but what if they were all armed and trained? Same with Russia and China and Cambodia. How do you know death squads dont start in Uruguay if after Brazil collapses and you have millions fleeing to Uruguay? I know you will hop over to another house in another country. I have kids as most do and i will die for their freedom and safety if necessary and their is no better option. If nukes go off you want to be in blast zone anyway since no one will be able to have healthy food or water or air and even if on an island with hydroponics and a well its pretty lonely. The point is to stand for something and build communities and have a plan but fight like hell so that plan is not needed
Blaming the atrocities committed in Russia, China, or Cambodia on the few who got out while they could is bizarre. Why not blame it on Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot? Or, perhaps the scores of millions who stayed in the country and watched or participated as it happened?
My ancestors "fled" England on Sept. 6, 1620 aboard the Mayflower. I'd say that worked.
You must stand for something. I agree 100%. But, all somethings aren't equal.
If you're idea of standing for something involves fighting with fellow Americans or a state that considers you an adversary under the illusion that you're standing up for the principles that really did make America special, is a mistake... in my opinion. That America is long gone and it's not coming back... at least not for a generation or two.
I'm a father too. I have kids and will do anything to protect them AND, like my Mayflower ancestors, do whatever must be done so they have a shot at a bright future.
All governments will do the same till the realize we wont allow It. It will and can happen Anywhere. Or be a nomad.
When a forest is on fire, you DON'T stand in the middle of the forest FIRE.
THAT WOULD BE INSANE.
The US Government and the US Economic Systems are on fire. Nothing
can stop this. They must burn to the ground, then and only then, can things
be rebuilt.
Won't it be grand to see collapse? All the little useless people going hungry. I mean we got it coming.
Some of us started rowing a few years back — not to escape, but to live better. What we found wasn’t just a soft landing spot for Americans, but a real society still grounded in food, family, and trust. The kind of place where you can walk, think, invest, and raise your kids without apologizing for it.
La Barra may not be my full-time home yet — but I’m comfortable knowing I’ll have it in the future.
As an Australian that just moved permanently to Paraguay, I get the same dumb 'stay and fight' attitude from Aussies too..
I love Australia, I would die on a hill to say growing up there in the 90s would have been one of the best possible childhoods on Earth, and it pains to think that my future kids probably won't experience backyard cricket on the street until 9pm etc..
But you can only change your own life, and vote with your feet...
VOTE HARDER! It makes zero difference...
I am happy to pay basically 0 taxes legally and slowly watch the decline from The Southern Cone...
Thanks for sharing, Tom. I also happen to have Paraguayan permanent residency. My kids did a little better—they have passports, since they were all born there:). It’s not for everyone, though—the summer heat is brutal, and it’s a bit less civilized, for lack of a better word, than Uruguay. But I like both countries for different reasons.
Thanks Lau - love your work. I'm single in my 30s, so it's a great base to start. Might branch out to Uruguay in a few years.
Plan is to spend summers in BA, Patagonia & visiting family back in Aus.
Thanks, Tom! That actually sounds like a solid plan. And I def agree—PY is a great base to start from. My wife and I have explored half of Latin America from there.
I agree with you but it's a matter of how much effort you want to put into a backup plan. Nomad Capitalist founder Andrew Henderson posted a recent video of him being DENIED a visa to visit the US. I haven't watched it yet, and maybe he eventually got it but that would be a concern for most of us. Maybe some people wouldn't care about that but most of us have families and aren't ready to go "all in" on somewhere else, right?
>>... and aren't ready to go "all in" on somewhere else, right?
Thanks for sharing your perspective, BigOinSeattle. But that’s not what we’re suggesting. The point is, you don’t want to go 'all in' anywhere. You want to diversify. As Doug likes to say, don't keep your eggs in one basket. Just look at the graph I posted earlier in the essay—it's safe to say that 99.9% of those people (interested in "dual citizenship") aren't looking to give up their American one. Those who are, are using very different keywords.
He renounced his US citizenship. He did it to avoid taxes. If you go that route you lose the supposed guaranteed right to enter the US. He knew it could happen and made the choice. Renouncing your US citizenship isn't building a plan b. It's the most extreme step you can take to eliminate all ties to the US. It may be the right choice for some, but that's not what we're advocating here.
We're talking about gaining the legal right to enter and live in another country - a safehaven - if you need it.... or maybe just a pleasant place to spend a couple of months a year.
True, important distinction. I’ll bet Andrew THOUGHT he had a plan B - and C, D and E! And thought that with his St Lucia passport would always be able to enter the US unmolested. He’s still got family here - his dad even appeared in a couple of his videos,