Just a short comment about the expiration date. I would store all the drugs (except liquid drugs!) in the freezer(-18°C) and liquid drugs in the refrigerator at 5°C. Because a 10°C lower temperature decreases the speed of a chemical reaction by about the factor of 2 - 3. So putting drugs into the freezer will increase the real expiration date by a factor of 10. For liquid drugs it is more complicated as for these drugs the risk of some bacterial contamination and the grow of some bacteria in the liquid is much higher. But the storage of solid drugs for about 20 years in the freezer should be safe (even with a few days without cooling).
For the residents of countries with dictatorial medical monopolies a trip outside the barbed wire can be put to good use by stocking up on such goods. A few years back towards the end of the teens, China had begun to flirt with a more dictatorial medical regime by starting to demand prescriptions for items like antibiotics, but thanks to Covid thankfully that all went de facto back down the memory hole. Prescriptions are still occasionally required, but don't cost anything and can be obtained upon request. Now procurement is pretty much a free for all with everything from ivermectin to rapamycin to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin easily obtainable online, usually within 20 minutes but at a minimum within two days.
It's worth noting that game changer supplements like goldenseal or magnesium bisglycinate are also readily available, usually at a fraction of the prices charged in the West. Biohacker must-haves like rapamycin (sirolimus) are even cheaper, often costing less than 1% of what they cost in the West. And there's no need to order from some shady pharmacy operating out of a back alley somewhere in India. Order instead from the original manufacturers.
Great article! We did exactly this a few years ago. Thankfully we don’t have an authoritarian gatekeeper masquerading as a doctor. We used Amazon pharmacy and paid out of pocket. The total was less than $100 for a full kit. We basically took the list from other well-known kits of this sort and replicated it for a fraction of the price.
I've had the idea of buying up antibiotics in Mexico because of the majority of them coming from China--but there's only a few that can be bought without prescription--unless going to the tourist towns.
Just be careful with all Mexico scripts as cartels have added Fentanyl to many different medicines. We used to load up when we went there on vacation, but stopped after my wife read several different articles about the risks.
I don't have the expertise to confirm if this is true, urban legend, or Big pHARMa protecting their 95% profit margins on USA pricing....
I can't imagine any doctor I have ever met being willing to give me a scrip for even one of these if I were not blatantly ill. And not all doctors I have had are numbskulls (most, yeah, but not all...there are some good guys out there, even now.)
"..there are a couple of companies that will help you pull this off,..."
Let's cut to the chase and list a few companies.
I'd like to procure and stock a serious med kit for precisely the reasons you describe.
Regarding expiration dates, does this apply to the tablet form of ibuprofen and acetaminophen also? I'm inclined to think they are fine to take many years after the expiration date stamped on the bottle.
Yes. At most mild loss of potency over time (a few percent over years). Most solid meds remain mostly potent with no toxic breakdown products long after expiration dates.
On a fishing trip to Alaska, I ate fish (sushi) that was contaminated. No one else in the group got sick, but me. I was prescribed Cipro ,as my stomach blew up like a balloon. I had to take 2 rounds of it, but I was cured. Absolutely no problems after that. I think it is very valuable. It also works on mouth and teeth infections. Thank you for all of the good advice. No fears if taken properly!
all set and I was an RN and a Paramedic also a CFO and CEO. Civil Defense Manual by Jack Lawson is a Must have. Med books too (Physician Assistance too) and RN training manual is also a must have-Not the NYCLEX test manual---the Methods needed for Med-Surge, Cardiac ICU and the ER. Meds (albeit very pricey) on The Wellness Co--site--if in dire need. Delivery is LONG--be mindful. Old Boy Scout Manuals are also very useful.
yes he is but I still have bought it years ago--I almost got another but $26 ship put me off--Jacks a Good Man! I almost asked him to publish a spiral bound summary or several of them with reference to page number from his book on specifics. I may still ask him to do it--A Field Guide of sorts==water proof, spiral bound for Travel. 8"10"? Maybe smaller. The size of a Boy Scouts Book but spiral bound and semi-water proof. It'd sell like Hot Potatoes and a little more Field Friendly to help us.
I'd do it myself but only if Jack approved but I simply don't have that kinda coin to do it. Maybe Jack will do it if he likes it this idea and make it happen. Time might be the issue of ya get my meanin'.
I think this is good preparation advice, in general, and appreciate your frankness. But in KS at least a doctor would be violating the common understanding of standard of care. Do you know of any case law or other shield that would help the doc feel okay in prescribing such a storage chest? I do know prescriptions are made and vaccines required in certain circumstances anticipating exposure when travelling, for instnace. And yet here's the AI Overview: In Kansas, physicians cannot issue prescriptions for unconfirmed future needs. Prescribing medication requires a valid doctor-patient relationship, which necessitates an evaluation to establish a legitimate medical diagnosis. "Anticipatory" prescriptions, issued without an active condition, violate the accepted standard of care.
The licensing boards tend to be populated by people who like to control others. About 20 years ago, about 40% of physicians considered themselves fiscally conservative/socially liberal. Roughly sorta correlating to libertarianism. But when I wrote an article suggesting that most then-current prescription drugs should be over the counter, the physician push back was very strong. They wanted to keep control of the prescription pad for the patients good--paternalistic at best. Also, they didn't want NPs and PAs to write prescriptions either.. These doctors were convinced in their minds that they were doing it for their patient's best interest. I'd ask if they would try to legally prohibit their patients from doing some dangerous activities such as mountain climbing or buying a fast car, and they said that they would only advise. The docs could not see through their cognitive dissonance.
Licensing boards are filled with that. They may have logical arguments supported by stats that suggest that doctors should control the prescription drugs. But that logic is founded on assumptions of nanny statism, not assumptions of freedom.
Also, the US medical system is very far away from free market. It's best described as fascist, but because that word triggers people, how about we call it crony-corporatist, or crony-collectivist. Some people like to climb that power ladder and join medical boards.
I don't have a great answer. for Kansas. I hope some doctors do the right thing, not the approved thing. But state control is backed by lots of force. But that's what makes the opportunity for companies to come in and prescribe antibiotics for prepping or travel.
You make an important point. Thanks. But Cipro should be on the list anyway. Not for taking during normal times, but the list is for abnormal times.
When the SHTF, cipro will become one of those drugs that is used when other commonly prescribed drugs are unavailable. When SHTF, you won't have access to lab results identifying which bacteria is causing the diarrhea, the UTI, the pneumonia. When water and septic systems cross contaminate and typhoid and cholera (as just two examples) are back in the the developed world (SHTF for real!), the rare side effects not withstanding, Cipro will a broadly useful drug. One should take a moment to question why people suddenly get terrified of a drug after decades of *statistically* safe use. Sure there are side effects. Avoid antibiotics wherever you can, but use them when you have a likely microbial infection that will likely get worse and potentially kill you. When SHTF, those rare effects, as severe as they can occasionally be with cipro and a bunch of other drugs, will be a rounding error. Avoiding cipro will be a luxury in that setting. In all my years of using cipro, which we even had to use in children sometimes where we knew there was cartilage risk early on, and because there was no other appropriate drug, I didn't encounter any of the feared side effects. But then the big one--the tendon rupture--is a side effect occuring only in about 1/1000. Rare but bad when it happens. Cipro barely shows a signal there, if at all-- although Levofloxacin does and cipro got lumped in based on being in the same class. Diarrhea is a common side effect and risk and a pain the butt for all antibiotics. Anyhow, avoid taking cipro, sure, but have some on hand. Same way you might avoid firing a .223 round, but want to have it on hand.
Been a homeopath most of my life. Works wonders. Never put poison into my body. For sure i take the dentists drugs before deep root canal or the doctors drugs before an operation but no jabs thank you and no big pharma if possible. Each to their own I guess but I’m always amazed by the “ and you know the side effects aren’t too bad “ argument. I d9nt have side effects following my gut.
I dumped Norton, because they liked to block websites. Probably better that this website doesn't get too popular, causing special interests in the U.S. to block it. So, no problem if you decide to avoid.
Just a short comment about the expiration date. I would store all the drugs (except liquid drugs!) in the freezer(-18°C) and liquid drugs in the refrigerator at 5°C. Because a 10°C lower temperature decreases the speed of a chemical reaction by about the factor of 2 - 3. So putting drugs into the freezer will increase the real expiration date by a factor of 10. For liquid drugs it is more complicated as for these drugs the risk of some bacterial contamination and the grow of some bacteria in the liquid is much higher. But the storage of solid drugs for about 20 years in the freezer should be safe (even with a few days without cooling).
For the residents of countries with dictatorial medical monopolies a trip outside the barbed wire can be put to good use by stocking up on such goods. A few years back towards the end of the teens, China had begun to flirt with a more dictatorial medical regime by starting to demand prescriptions for items like antibiotics, but thanks to Covid thankfully that all went de facto back down the memory hole. Prescriptions are still occasionally required, but don't cost anything and can be obtained upon request. Now procurement is pretty much a free for all with everything from ivermectin to rapamycin to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin easily obtainable online, usually within 20 minutes but at a minimum within two days.
It's worth noting that game changer supplements like goldenseal or magnesium bisglycinate are also readily available, usually at a fraction of the prices charged in the West. Biohacker must-haves like rapamycin (sirolimus) are even cheaper, often costing less than 1% of what they cost in the West. And there's no need to order from some shady pharmacy operating out of a back alley somewhere in India. Order instead from the original manufacturers.
Colloidal silver used to be used before antibiotics.
Goldenseal is great for killing off tummy bugs.
Goldenseal can also be very helpful with sinusitis, which antibiotics tend to struggle against.
Great article! We did exactly this a few years ago. Thankfully we don’t have an authoritarian gatekeeper masquerading as a doctor. We used Amazon pharmacy and paid out of pocket. The total was less than $100 for a full kit. We basically took the list from other well-known kits of this sort and replicated it for a fraction of the price.
I've had the idea of buying up antibiotics in Mexico because of the majority of them coming from China--but there's only a few that can be bought without prescription--unless going to the tourist towns.
Just be careful with all Mexico scripts as cartels have added Fentanyl to many different medicines. We used to load up when we went there on vacation, but stopped after my wife read several different articles about the risks.
I don't have the expertise to confirm if this is true, urban legend, or Big pHARMa protecting their 95% profit margins on USA pricing....
I can't imagine any doctor I have ever met being willing to give me a scrip for even one of these if I were not blatantly ill. And not all doctors I have had are numbskulls (most, yeah, but not all...there are some good guys out there, even now.)
"..there are a couple of companies that will help you pull this off,..."
Let's cut to the chase and list a few companies.
I'd like to procure and stock a serious med kit for precisely the reasons you describe.
Jase Medical is US. is first on the list.. I've seen other companies distribute for them too.
Prepare Medical is another..
I have not looked in any detail into these lately. But I suggest starting with these two.
thank you
Regarding expiration dates, does this apply to the tablet form of ibuprofen and acetaminophen also? I'm inclined to think they are fine to take many years after the expiration date stamped on the bottle.
Yes. At most mild loss of potency over time (a few percent over years). Most solid meds remain mostly potent with no toxic breakdown products long after expiration dates.
Thank you.
On a fishing trip to Alaska, I ate fish (sushi) that was contaminated. No one else in the group got sick, but me. I was prescribed Cipro ,as my stomach blew up like a balloon. I had to take 2 rounds of it, but I was cured. Absolutely no problems after that. I think it is very valuable. It also works on mouth and teeth infections. Thank you for all of the good advice. No fears if taken properly!
all set and I was an RN and a Paramedic also a CFO and CEO. Civil Defense Manual by Jack Lawson is a Must have. Med books too (Physician Assistance too) and RN training manual is also a must have-Not the NYCLEX test manual---the Methods needed for Med-Surge, Cardiac ICU and the ER. Meds (albeit very pricey) on The Wellness Co--site--if in dire need. Delivery is LONG--be mindful. Old Boy Scout Manuals are also very useful.
Jack Lawson is running a super sale on his 2 volume book--all of July, 2026. $55 as I recall.
yes he is but I still have bought it years ago--I almost got another but $26 ship put me off--Jacks a Good Man! I almost asked him to publish a spiral bound summary or several of them with reference to page number from his book on specifics. I may still ask him to do it--A Field Guide of sorts==water proof, spiral bound for Travel. 8"10"? Maybe smaller. The size of a Boy Scouts Book but spiral bound and semi-water proof. It'd sell like Hot Potatoes and a little more Field Friendly to help us.
Boy Scout book and spiral bound--GREAT idea!
I'd do it myself but only if Jack approved but I simply don't have that kinda coin to do it. Maybe Jack will do it if he likes it this idea and make it happen. Time might be the issue of ya get my meanin'.
I hear ya!
Plus--they $26 "shipping?"
Pul-ease! USPS has el Cheapo rates for books...
I think this is good preparation advice, in general, and appreciate your frankness. But in KS at least a doctor would be violating the common understanding of standard of care. Do you know of any case law or other shield that would help the doc feel okay in prescribing such a storage chest? I do know prescriptions are made and vaccines required in certain circumstances anticipating exposure when travelling, for instnace. And yet here's the AI Overview: In Kansas, physicians cannot issue prescriptions for unconfirmed future needs. Prescribing medication requires a valid doctor-patient relationship, which necessitates an evaluation to establish a legitimate medical diagnosis. "Anticipatory" prescriptions, issued without an active condition, violate the accepted standard of care.
The licensing boards tend to be populated by people who like to control others. About 20 years ago, about 40% of physicians considered themselves fiscally conservative/socially liberal. Roughly sorta correlating to libertarianism. But when I wrote an article suggesting that most then-current prescription drugs should be over the counter, the physician push back was very strong. They wanted to keep control of the prescription pad for the patients good--paternalistic at best. Also, they didn't want NPs and PAs to write prescriptions either.. These doctors were convinced in their minds that they were doing it for their patient's best interest. I'd ask if they would try to legally prohibit their patients from doing some dangerous activities such as mountain climbing or buying a fast car, and they said that they would only advise. The docs could not see through their cognitive dissonance.
Licensing boards are filled with that. They may have logical arguments supported by stats that suggest that doctors should control the prescription drugs. But that logic is founded on assumptions of nanny statism, not assumptions of freedom.
Also, the US medical system is very far away from free market. It's best described as fascist, but because that word triggers people, how about we call it crony-corporatist, or crony-collectivist. Some people like to climb that power ladder and join medical boards.
I don't have a great answer. for Kansas. I hope some doctors do the right thing, not the approved thing. But state control is backed by lots of force. But that's what makes the opportunity for companies to come in and prescribe antibiotics for prepping or travel.
Ciprofloxacin, aka Cipro, is a fluoroquinolone, and should not be on this list without some serious warnings.
Extremely serious adverse reactions have led to black box level warnings, see:
https://fq100.org/fda-warnings
My own father prescribed these to me 20 years ago, but this is a drug only to be used as a last resort...
The European agencies add to the warnings:
"Disabling and potentially permanent side effects lead to suspension or restrictions of quinolone and fluoroquinolone antibiotics"
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/referrals/quinolone-fluoroquinolone-containing-medicinal-products#overview-section
"Fluoroquinolone antibiotics: must now only be prescribed when other commonly recommended antibiotics are inappropriate"
https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/fluoroquinolone-antibiotics-must-now-only-be-prescribed-when-other-commonly-recommended-antibiotics-are-inappropriate
There are whole websites for the many victims who got "floxxed" and their health ruined for years.
https://floxiehope.com
As Doug so aptly put it about drugs in general:
“This drug can < expletive deleted > you up. Talk to your doctor to see if this shit is right for you...”
You make an important point. Thanks. But Cipro should be on the list anyway. Not for taking during normal times, but the list is for abnormal times.
When the SHTF, cipro will become one of those drugs that is used when other commonly prescribed drugs are unavailable. When SHTF, you won't have access to lab results identifying which bacteria is causing the diarrhea, the UTI, the pneumonia. When water and septic systems cross contaminate and typhoid and cholera (as just two examples) are back in the the developed world (SHTF for real!), the rare side effects not withstanding, Cipro will a broadly useful drug. One should take a moment to question why people suddenly get terrified of a drug after decades of *statistically* safe use. Sure there are side effects. Avoid antibiotics wherever you can, but use them when you have a likely microbial infection that will likely get worse and potentially kill you. When SHTF, those rare effects, as severe as they can occasionally be with cipro and a bunch of other drugs, will be a rounding error. Avoiding cipro will be a luxury in that setting. In all my years of using cipro, which we even had to use in children sometimes where we knew there was cartilage risk early on, and because there was no other appropriate drug, I didn't encounter any of the feared side effects. But then the big one--the tendon rupture--is a side effect occuring only in about 1/1000. Rare but bad when it happens. Cipro barely shows a signal there, if at all-- although Levofloxacin does and cipro got lumped in based on being in the same class. Diarrhea is a common side effect and risk and a pain the butt for all antibiotics. Anyhow, avoid taking cipro, sure, but have some on hand. Same way you might avoid firing a .223 round, but want to have it on hand.
Yes, Dr. 1/1000, but for that one--major issues.
Been a homeopath most of my life. Works wonders. Never put poison into my body. For sure i take the dentists drugs before deep root canal or the doctors drugs before an operation but no jabs thank you and no big pharma if possible. Each to their own I guess but I’m always amazed by the “ and you know the side effects aren’t too bad “ argument. I d9nt have side effects following my gut.
Homeopath with deep root canals?
We even bleed too!
U.S. residents can buy all the antibiotics mentioned, except for one, at ReliableRX Pharmacy. I've ordered from them and they are honest and reliable.
https://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/
Norton blocked this site for me. On Trustpilot it has a one point rating of 22%, the average is 3.2%.
I dumped Norton, because they liked to block websites. Probably better that this website doesn't get too popular, causing special interests in the U.S. to block it. So, no problem if you decide to avoid.
Forgot to mention. Just ignore the part about providing a prescription, if you don't have one and you can still order.
Great list. I have many gaps to fill. Thanks!
Thank you!
What are safe sources outside the US medical system?
L argento colloidale credo possa sopperire per diverse esigenze in caso di mancanza di antibiotici
I agree it is fantastic, but is it only a topical ointment?